Listened to another General Intellect Unit episode on Post Open Source. A bit of a downer this one, to be honest – it’s about FOSS being ‘dead’. Free software having died a while back, and open-source being recently departed. There are many valid points. It’s based on this article. Need more time to digest it and read the article.

@neil I think the death of FOSS is greatly exaggerated. Mostly by people who really wish it was dead, and that they could exploit users in peace. Many of the world's biggest software corporations are in that number. And they tend to look for unexpected ways to put their message out.


@lightweight I think this misrepresents who is saying FOSS is dead.

I say FOSS is dying, rapidly, because of its stubborn insistence that it exist within settler-colonialism, and its outright hostility to anything else.

I have no interest in having users, let alone exploiting them. I have an interest in not transitioning exploitation from one group of unelected colonists to another. From where I sit, capitalist or FOSS doesn't matter, both exist only to live inside capitalism.

Until open-source folk take a firm stance against that, like @bhaugen says, the field will continue to die, just like every part of colonialism.

Ironically, your construction of the issue, which erases the outside world in favor of "open-source v corporate exploiters," plays into the exact sorta habits that mean FOSS people mis-perceive their environment.

Seen (or created) any anti-colonialist software?

I asked in another thread, but am pretty sure than colonialism and capitalism started up together,

But I can imagine anti-capitalism that is still white that colonialism and white chauvinism have been embedded, they won't necessarily stop at the end of capitalism.

@lightweight @neil

@bhaugen I'm working with the best minds I can gather to see if that is possible! We reckon it is, but it's going to take a bit longer before we have an answer. If it is possible, we plan on exploring that opportunity. @neil

@emsenn @bhaugen @neil seems to me that we're all "tilting at windmills" because... well, if enough of us do it, we'll change the status quo.

@emsenn @bhaugen @neil Colonialism and capitalism have shaped the current playing field. Free Software (my allegiance) is a movement built on stubborn adherence to principles. I lack respect for the OS movement due to its explicit alignment with capitalist incentives, which in turn benefit those descended from the beneficiaries of colonialism rather than everyone else.

@emsenn @bhaugen @neil I think corporations, with their single motivation and inevitable abuse of power, are the antithesis of my values. Any solutions which allows them to exist will eventually fail. Any solution that undermines their power will be painful but has a chance.

@emsenn @bhaugen @neil also, the author of the Post Open Source essay who claims they want to not think about their OS and have their computer "just work" & therefore they use Windows... does a whole lot to undermine their cred. I'd suggest the righteous disowning &/or deflecting responsibility for real things they depend on is a part of the capitalist "I'll pay to retain my ignorance of things I completely depend on because I can afford it." Even if part of the price is my freedom.

@emsenn @bhaugen @neil I disagree substantially with the two guys running the podcast (never heard of them previously) regarding the advantages of the Free Software, and what users want/need. I think they're a bit glib, and they give the impression that they're quite ok with proprietary software (my reckons on the topic:


This is such a hopeless and white-centering perspective on what I said that I don't think I have anything more to say.

@emsenn fair enough, although despite being quite interested in understanding it, I'm completely baffled by your assertion.

@lightweight I believe emsenn's objecting that e's not tilting at the same windmills as us. That it's insulting to call surviving as a lokotian, outside of western culture, that.


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